Showing posts with label Technical problems. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Technical problems. Show all posts

Monday, April 4, 2011

Peugeot 206: Air Conditioning Leak


Last year, my BB Lion’s air-conditioning failed… Well, sort of, or more accurately, the cooling efficiency drop and I thought it was due to the climate change, hahaha… Top up the gas and at first it was OK, but the cooling efficiency drops again in about probably 2-3 month or so. Went back to the Service Centre and ask if they can check, but they said it would take a lot of time to find any leaks, so they suggest to top up first and if still out of gas, they will check on it. True enough, in about 1 month++, the cooling efficiency drops again and it’s getting worst, and it happen when I’m going out with my friends, so stop by an air-cond repair shop to top up the gas. The air-cond man wanted to open up to check on the condition or possible leak but he’s not familiar with Peugeot and don’t know where it’s located, so he just top up and told me it’s better to go back to Peugeot Service Centre.

BB Lion all ready for operation...

In about less than a month, it got worst, like totally out of gas, no sign of cold air, it’s like driving in sauna room under the hot sun,… Well, serves me right for delaying so long… Since it’s sort of emergency and a week day where I need to work on the next day, I went to another air-cond repair shop for top up before I planned the day to send to the Service Centre. This shop, my friend used to go there and said it was good and honest shop (it’s hard to find one in Malaysia , really). The boss is a very nice chap, he check with me on the situation and advice me, if there is a suspected leak, it’s better not to continue to top up as later it will damage the compressor when the compressor oil runs out. Since I’ve done some research and found information that usually the leak is at the evaporator coil or cooling coil (thanks to Tysontalenta), I took this opportunity and ask him about the leak and if whether he can fix it.

It was a joy to know that he can do it, not only that, he have done it before and it was also leak on the evaporator. Knowing he’s able to fix it, I check with him the “damage” on my wallet if I were to repair this, and as usual, he asked if I wanted original parts or third-party, and for third party, there is Taiwan brand/made and China brand/made. The China brand/made (Dowson) is the one similar with the one replaced by Tysontalenta.

The price gap between the 3 is huge. Original parts cost over RM2000! The Taiwan brand/made is around RM700++ while the China brand/made is around RM300++. He recommended not to get the China brand as they deal with those parts before, whereby when it leaks, it leaks badly. As the original parts is too expensive, he recommended me to go for the Taiwan brand. Since my original parts can’t even last me 3 years, I decided what’s the point of getting original? I also check with some other members who face similar issue with the evaporator. The main problem is,… for this car, it’s hard to service the evaporator as the entire dashboard needs to be dismanteled which will take a lot of time and you’ll also be charged for the workmanship.

Anyway, after checking out the shop, saw many pictures of the cars they have work on, many of it are continental cars which also requires dismantling the entire dashboard. Knowing this, I’m more relieve and decided to let him fix up BB Lion’s air-conditioning system.

BB Lion's Dashboard removed...

The total time required for the entire repair process will took about a day, from morning to evening. So, I send in my BB Lion on Saturday morning around 9AM when they start work. To cut things short, they started working on my BB Lion about almost 10AM and they finish around almost 7PM. When they dismantle the dashboard, it’s really heartache to see but at the same time, it’s interesting and amazed to see all the details in the car itself. The dashboard looks really cool, futuristic and complicated with all the curves and details, unlike some of those plain straight dull looking dashboard. It looks like a sophisticated cockpit from some cool ship, and it’s big.


The cool and sophisticated looking "cockpit" or dashboard with curves and detail...
Unlike our typical B-Segment cheap and simple looking dashboard...




After dismantling the dashboard, you will be able to see the “pollen/cabin filter” compartment and the pollen filter itself, and also some “holes” at the middle of the body which can be accessed from the front engine compartment. Here, you can see how important is the pollen filter as it’s required to filter out dust, contaminants, etc from outside. I took out the pollen filter and gosh it was dirty! This is also important to prevent dust from entering and clogged up your evaporator which eventually causes it to fail. Similarly, it’s important to keep your cabin always clean or you might risk polluting the evaporator (I was inform about this long ago when I was driving another car, but back then the car I was driving, the evaporator can be removed easily and be cleaned).


The pollen/Cabin filter.

The pollen/Cabin filter (Closer Inspection).


View from the inside of the car...

After some long hours of work, they managed to take out the evaporator and check for leaks. Found out there is leaks and it’s quite obvious as well, the boss also checks on the pipes and everything else. He mentioned one of the part, "Expansion Block Valve", is “still” working but not in good condition, though, he let me decide if I want to re-use it back. He also mentioned that in case it fails it, it can be replace “quite” easily (at least not needing to remove the entire dashboard). After some short consideration and checking the price of a new unit (3rd party - made in France, also used by Merz), I decided to change it to prevent the “hassle” of coming back again and probably paying for additional workmanship. I also decided to replace the "Receiver Drier" since it’s old; Well, better to get it all done at once than doing it one by one, unless I’m very free or I’m working as Sales with lots of time to spare, or I have more than 1 car…

The leaking evaporator oil or cooling coil...
(Can't see here, taken using phone camera)

Finally, it’s done. Everything is assembled back, now the biggest fear I have, can the car start “normally”?..... Hearts pumping and the worker switch on the ignition and… cranks…… Thankfully, it started normally. It was a great relief =)
The air-conditioning gas as well as the compressor oil was also topped up, and final inspection is done to make sure everything is OK and the air-cond is cold again.

While on my way back, I notice something wrong… the lighting is very dim… Oh gosh… At first I thought they damaged something… but luckily one long lost memory somehow find its way back to me before I embarrass myself; The “brightness” can be adjusted from the controls, but since I’ve only adjusted it once long long ago, this “memory” was lost somewhere in the memory bank. Luckily it’s smart enough to come back to me before I embarrass myself =P

Anyway, overall everything was all good, only have 2 main complaints:
It seems the cover of the middle steering is now unable to close “properly”, this is due to the way they open it when they want to take out the steering. To fix it, I suppose I’ll need to remove the cover and try “bend” it inwards to make it “bend” slightly inwards.

The 2bd issue is more problematic, my gear-knob is damaged… It seems they thought the gear-knob is removed by twisting it at first (the right way is to pull upwards)… Now my gear-knob is loose, it can turn around… and I also found some pieces of the plastics “peeled off”. Recently, while trying to fix this using glue, twisting it caused the entire gear-knob detached as the plastics already broken. Having no choice, I glued everything with ‘Super Glue’, but not sure if it can last… or how long can it last…
But guess what? It didn't last long, the whole thing broke BUT luckily it happen when I've reach the destination... What I did then was... bandage it up like an injured gear-knob, haha...
Luckily and many thanks to Intermilan (Zaid), he have a spare GTI gear-knob, and he was very kind enough to sell it to me and also help me to fix it up. BIG THANKS to Intermilan!!!

Lastly, here's the breakdown of the repair cost:
1 X Evaporator/Cooling Coil (1 Year Warranty): RM783.00
1 X Expansion Block Valve (1 Year Warranty; Made in France): RM363.00
1 X Receiver Drier (6 Months Warranty): RM178.00

Vacuum Top Up Gas R134a: RM55.00
Compressor Oil (Denso) Top Up: RM40.00

Labour Charge: RM280.00

Total Damage: RM1, 699.00

Here's more photos:

Dials by Jaeger

The Single Climate Digital Air-Cond Control Unit

The Multi-Function Display (MFD)






Infamous Com2000




The evaporator unit...


Ew.....




Putting all back together...


















Awaiting for "key" (steering cover) insertion....

Ready to form Voltron...
Activate interlocks!
Dynotherms connected!
Infracells up!
Megathrusters are GO!
=p

BB Lion all set and ready to go~


Sunday, June 14, 2009

Rim Repair @ Tek Ming, Sunway

Image From:
http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/default.asp?userid=TekMing


I think this is the actual place they repair the rims (with price listing):
http://my.88db.com/my/Services/Post_Detail.page/Car_Boat_Bike/Repair_Maintenance/?PostID=53123

On Saturday (13th June 2009), I went to Tek Ming, Sunway to repair one of my rim which previously was informed by my regular tyre mechanic that there is a minor 'dent' on one of my rims.

About the dent:
The dent was not noticeable on the outside as it was the inside, and the caused? Was informed it was probably due to potholes. Because they don't have the tools/machine to fix it, so he put the rims on the rear so it won't affect the handling so much.

How I found the shop?
So, as I planned to send my car for alignment and balancing again, I googled to see if there is any shop can repair rims and the price. I found Tek Ming, which advertise in www.lelong.com.my and www.my.88db.com. The price for 16" was RM35. Next, googled further for reviews and found many positive review. Finally, it's decided.

The experience:
It was really funny and awkward. The moment I reached the shop, few of the mechanic "stop-and-stare" as I park my car. It was really awkward and uneasy feeling, feels like they're wondering why I park there, actually I didn't park right in front of the shop. Suddenly, few more mechanic turn up and they stand together and "stop-and-stare" as I was preparing to get down. Suddenly, it strikes me as probably it was their service to greet new customers like Japanese style? Hehe, I don't know, but after I got down, as I walk closer, just when I want to open my mouth, finally one mechanic served me.

Anyway, that's a very "uneasy" and "shy" experience. Finally, I told him about the dent and reconfirm the price and time needed to repair (about 1 hour++). I asked him to check all the rims as I can't remember which rim on the rear was dented, and just in case there is newly "developed" dent on the front. They jack up my BB Lion, spin each wheels a little bit... comes to me with the medical report.
Luckily there was only 1, it's the one.

By the way, I also asked them to do balancing since they're "doing it", but somehow they say my rims might not fit the balancing machine, and if that's the case, they would have to do "on-car wheel balancing". Since I'm not really keen doing "on-car wheel balancing", I just get the rim repaired, and off I go back to my regular tyre shop, Pirelli (Goh Swee Hin) @ Glenmarie (nearby Bluebox Glenmarie).

Overall, their service was good, good workmanship and for me, the price was also good. So, you can put this shop in your list in case you need to repair rim(s) or recommended anyone.

More information:
http://my.88db.com/my/Services/Post_Detail.page/Car_Boat_Bike/Repair_Maintenance/?PostID=53123

Repair Sport Rim Size and Price:
13" Inch per sport rim ~ RM20
14" Inch per sport rim ~ RM25
15" Inch per sport rim ~ RM30
16" Inch per sport rim ~ RM35
17" Inch per sport rim ~ RM40
18" Inch per sport rim ~ RM45





Wednesday, April 29, 2009

206 Major DIY TT events

Dear all,

Currently we are planning to had a major TT for all 206ers. This TT would be a different from just a normal TT as it will involve some DIY session, knowledge apart from just getting to know each others.

Please feel free to read more here

So Guys & Gals, it is confirm that the DIY TT Events for 206 will be held on:

Date: 1st May 2009
Time: 10.00am onwards
Locations: Shah Alam Extreme Park




Sifus that confirm will be able to attend:

1. DIY ing your 206 with our King of DIY - Joe aka Titan (OK)
2. Where to buy the emblems with our Emblems King - Blackdolphin (OK)
3. Caring of your car paint and body with our Pro detailing.- Andy (OK)
4. The Blue UK lion with our Imported 206 - tnash (OK)
5. How better to deal with the SC or SA with our Advisor - lowpro (OK)
6. How to DIY service your car with our Service Master - xadi (OK)

Initial time-table:

10am-12pm : DIY session by the sifus
12pm-2pm : Lunch time and Friday prayers
2pm-5pm : Continued DIY session
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Special discount for those who come and buy from Blackdolphin (Andrew) - emblems, logo, accessories etc.


Thank you

Wednesday, November 5, 2008

AL4 Gearbox (Water in Gearbox)


206 AL4 Automatic Transmission Gearbox


It is said that you should becareful when driving over flood or pool of water, esepcially with a automatic transmission Peugeot. 
There is a known risk of water getting into the gearbox (altough not 100% proven, it usually happens due to this reason). As to why and how the water can get into the gearbox, nobody knows the "real" reasons, most people suspect what they called the "breather hole" (which they claimed it's for the gearbox to breathe, letting hot air out?).

However, according to the technical documentation of the AL4 Gearbox, there is not such thing as "breather hole/hose"; I think what they're reffering to is the "Filler Plug", which is use to fill the ATF. But, this "Filler Plug"  should be sealed tight,  so we have no idea of the "real" reason as to why and how the water can get into the gearbox; Currently all are just speculactions or assumptions or the infamous "hear-say".

The Good News? 
It seems most of the current model had been modified to counter this problems (hopefully):



Current AL4 Gearbox with a cap? to cover the "Filler Plug" (or so called "breather hole") to avoid water from going in (Blue cap?)

Symptoms Of Possibility Of Water In The Gearbox:
  • Gear slippage in the morning (start the engine and straight away put on D mode and move the car, had to be in cold conditions e.g. early morning)
  • While in motion/moving, extreme jerking of the car when changing gear (Abnormal hard jerking).
  • Warning lights is on (Sport & Snow mode light is blinking)

If any of this symptoms happen,  its best to get your car check by the SC,  normally a simple ATF check to trace any water in it will be able to find out if the gearbox was infested by water.

In any case, if you ever encounter the "Sport & Snow Mode Blinking" issuel;  do not take the issue lightly. There must be some reason which triggers the warning. This warning could be trigger by various reasons, mainly the ATF over heat or not in good condition (e.g. dirty, water?, etc);
Do not take it lightly,  get it check immediately;  And do not pressure the gearbox before the issue is fix (e.g. Do not REV too high or constant high rev, do not stress your gearbox; Do not drive over 100km/h).
If the service centre ignores the problem due to diagnosis shows no fault, insist them to check properly, cause if it's ATF condition, it's hard to diagnose as it is not yet permanent, it could be some part of the ATF is dirty or having problem, and when the sensors detect it,  it flashes the warning. But when you send to the service centre, there warning might not be there again until the sensors detect it again.

Another personal advice I would give is, change your ATF if the diagnosis cannot detect it and the service centre cannot do anything.